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	<description>The philosemitic blog of author and journalist Chas Newkey-Burden, from the UK</description>
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		<title>By: mostly harmless</title>
		<link>http://www.oyvagoy.com/2009/05/22/israel-victim-not-aggressor/comment-page-1/#comment-27180</link>
		<dc:creator>mostly harmless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 12:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like your history is a bit one sided Jonathan, try reading Benny Morris, Illan Pappe or Avi Shlaim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like your history is a bit one sided Jonathan, try reading Benny Morris, Illan Pappe or Avi Shlaim.</p>
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		<title>By: Israël is het slachtoffer en niet de agressor in het Midden-Oosten &#171; Brabosh.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Israël is het slachtoffer en niet de agressor in het Midden-Oosten &#171; Brabosh.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Chas Newkey-Burden blog Oy Va Goy: Israel: victim not agressor van Zionism van 24 mei 2009; Israel is a victim not an aggressor in the Middle East; A speech by Jonathan [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Chas Newkey-Burden blog Oy Va Goy: Israel: victim not agressor van Zionism van 24 mei 2009; Israel is a victim not an aggressor in the Middle East; A speech by Jonathan [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
		<link>http://www.oyvagoy.com/2009/05/22/israel-victim-not-aggressor/comment-page-1/#comment-4682</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Superb stuff, thank you Jonathan!</description>
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		<title>By: Liraz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liraz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great piece. Thanks for making it available again to the &quot;newbies&quot;, Chas.

I think ignorance of Israel&#039;s history, of its prelude, and of the wars it has fought, is one of the greatest barriers to understanding and sympathy for Israel on the part of the general public (although the Guardianistas seem to be wilfully ignorant).
Keep up the good work, Jonathan!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great piece. Thanks for making it available again to the &#8220;newbies&#8221;, Chas.</p>
<p>I think ignorance of Israel&#8217;s history, of its prelude, and of the wars it has fought, is one of the greatest barriers to understanding and sympathy for Israel on the part of the general public (although the Guardianistas seem to be wilfully ignorant).<br />
Keep up the good work, Jonathan!</p>
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		<title>By: tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Hoffmans great,triffic acid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Hoffmans great,triffic acid.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Bowen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Bowen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Israel: victim not aggressor Oy Va Goy! - PeopleRank: 2 - May 22, 2009  ...Jeremy Bowen, was biased and inaccurate. The BBC had always rejected those complaints. So the case went to the highest Appeal body, the BBC Trust. The BBC Trust overruled the BBC. Not only did it find that Jeremy Bowen was biased, it also found that in... Cited people : Adolf Hitler&#160; Balfour Declaration&#160; Efraim Karsh&#160; Eric Lee&#160; Gaza Strip&#160; Golan Heights&#160; Peace Treaty&#160; Samir Kuntar&#160; Theodor Herzl&#160; Winston Churchill&#160;      + vote [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Israel: victim not aggressor Oy Va Goy! &#8211; PeopleRank: 2 &#8211; May 22, 2009  &#8230;Jeremy Bowen, was biased and inaccurate. The BBC had always rejected those complaints. So the case went to the highest Appeal body, the BBC Trust. The BBC Trust overruled the BBC. Not only did it find that Jeremy Bowen was biased, it also found that in&#8230; Cited people : Adolf Hitler&nbsp; Balfour Declaration&nbsp; Efraim Karsh&nbsp; Eric Lee&nbsp; Gaza Strip&nbsp; Golan Heights&nbsp; Peace Treaty&nbsp; Samir Kuntar&nbsp; Theodor Herzl&nbsp; Winston Churchill&nbsp;      + vote [...]</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 10:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes very good, but how do you get it too the arabs and make them belive its in the right and they are in the wrong. When will they ever be convinced about all the wrongs they have brought upon us in Palestine and Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes very good, but how do you get it too the arabs and make them belive its in the right and they are in the wrong. When will they ever be convinced about all the wrongs they have brought upon us in Palestine and Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: Chas Newkey-Burden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chas Newkey-Burden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 19:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, to just deal with a selection of the nonsense you packed into your comment:

“The question is What have you done for me lately?”

Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, only to be rewarded by increased rocket fire from Hamas. 

“In that context Israel has been the aggressor …by insisting that only parties and factions that recognise Israel and embrace non-violent methods be allowed to participate in discussions.”

Too right. Would you negotiate with people who want you dead? What would be your opening offer?

&quot;Palestinians see themselves as defending their lands against Israeli occupation.&quot; 

Not true. Hamas continued to attack from Gaza after the “occupation” ended in 2005.

&quot;The Palestinians behave no differently from any other insurrection seeking to expel an occupation.&quot;

Rubbish. *Very* few other ‘insurrections’ have blown up buses full of schoolchildren, for example. And very few have repeatedly refused opportunities for resolution.

&quot;The term “terrorists” is not useful, except to propagandists.&quot;

Yawn. So what would you call people who blow up school-buses? “Sir”?

“Personally, I would shake the hand of any Hamas or Hezbollah member before I would shake the hand of either Bibi Netanyahu or Avigdor Lieberman.”

Says it all really. Good luck to you, by the way. Hamas would probably cut your hand off as soon as shake it. They don’t want to be your friend, however much you willfully romanticise them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, to just deal with a selection of the nonsense you packed into your comment:</p>
<p>“The question is What have you done for me lately?”</p>
<p>Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, only to be rewarded by increased rocket fire from Hamas. </p>
<p>“In that context Israel has been the aggressor …by insisting that only parties and factions that recognise Israel and embrace non-violent methods be allowed to participate in discussions.”</p>
<p>Too right. Would you negotiate with people who want you dead? What would be your opening offer?</p>
<p>&#8220;Palestinians see themselves as defending their lands against Israeli occupation.&#8221; </p>
<p>Not true. Hamas continued to attack from Gaza after the “occupation” ended in 2005.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Palestinians behave no differently from any other insurrection seeking to expel an occupation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Rubbish. *Very* few other ‘insurrections’ have blown up buses full of schoolchildren, for example. And very few have repeatedly refused opportunities for resolution.</p>
<p>&#8220;The term “terrorists” is not useful, except to propagandists.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yawn. So what would you call people who blow up school-buses? “Sir”?</p>
<p>“Personally, I would shake the hand of any Hamas or Hezbollah member before I would shake the hand of either Bibi Netanyahu or Avigdor Lieberman.”</p>
<p>Says it all really. Good luck to you, by the way. Hamas would probably cut your hand off as soon as shake it. They don’t want to be your friend, however much you willfully romanticise them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 18:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks again</description>
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		<title>By: amie</title>
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		<dc:creator>amie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 14:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an extraordinary set of values you have, Andrew of Cambridge. I hope you are not a student of history or philosophy:&quot;though Hamas and Hezbollah seek to destroy the Jewish State, they do not seek to shame it.&quot; Is this akin to the concept of honour killing- better my daughter be dead than shame my family?

Jonathan; great speech- am passing it on to those who are badly in need of it who feel paralysed to articulate a case when faced with untruths. 

And good for Douglas Murray too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an extraordinary set of values you have, Andrew of Cambridge. I hope you are not a student of history or philosophy:&#8221;though Hamas and Hezbollah seek to destroy the Jewish State, they do not seek to shame it.&#8221; Is this akin to the concept of honour killing- better my daughter be dead than shame my family?</p>
<p>Jonathan; great speech- am passing it on to those who are badly in need of it who feel paralysed to articulate a case when faced with untruths. </p>
<p>And good for Douglas Murray too.</p>
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