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	<title>Comments on: Margaret Thatcher &#8211; philosemite?</title>
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	<description>The philosemitic blog of author and journalist Chas Newkey-Burden, from the UK</description>
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		<title>By: Blair</title>
		<link>http://www.oyvagoy.com/2009/07/25/margaret-thatcher-philosemite/comment-page-1/#comment-31385</link>
		<dc:creator>Blair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Chas,

Very interesting article.  Thanks for writing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Chas,</p>
<p>Very interesting article.  Thanks for writing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy</title>
		<link>http://www.oyvagoy.com/2009/07/25/margaret-thatcher-philosemite/comment-page-1/#comment-2815</link>
		<dc:creator>Judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The jibe about the Old Estonians was a quite specific jibe about the presence of Leon Brittan and Nigel Lawson in her Cabinet, both of whom had parents who were immigrants from
Eastern Europe---one of them did actually have a father who came from Estonian. Macmillan was famous for having more Old Etonians in his Cabinet than any other Prime Minister.

As well as your other evidence re Mrs T&#039;s Philip-semitism. her first job after Oxford was as a research chemist  for J Lyons, then an entirely Jewish firm, where she was reputed to have felt herself well treated.

Her first major mentor who played the key role in positioning herself as the future leader of the Tories was Sir Keith Joseph, for whom
she had intense respect, whereas he wS regarded as mad by most of the then Tory mainstream.

She was also a great admirer of Lord Young-she said other Cabinet colleagues came to her with problems, but he came to her with solutions.

Finally, I remember reading a speech she gave at a Youth Aliyah dinner, where she warmly praised one of it&#039;s founders, Recha Freier, as an example of how one person can make a real difference.

She was certainly very at ease with and appreciative of the qualities and talents of Jews who made no attempt to hide their origins. Ranks with King Edward VII, Churchill &amp; Tony Blair.
Prince Charles is anti-Zionist and has never allowed himself to be associated with any Zionist organization. He adopted support of a Krakow Jewish charity to avoid any possible insinuations of having an anti-Semitic agenda. Both the Duke of Ed and the Queen have visited a range of Jewish charities.
She never showed any response at all to the repeated criticism
of her for having so many</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The jibe about the Old Estonians was a quite specific jibe about the presence of Leon Brittan and Nigel Lawson in her Cabinet, both of whom had parents who were immigrants from<br />
Eastern Europe&#8212;one of them did actually have a father who came from Estonian. Macmillan was famous for having more Old Etonians in his Cabinet than any other Prime Minister.</p>
<p>As well as your other evidence re Mrs T&#8217;s Philip-semitism. her first job after Oxford was as a research chemist  for J Lyons, then an entirely Jewish firm, where she was reputed to have felt herself well treated.</p>
<p>Her first major mentor who played the key role in positioning herself as the future leader of the Tories was Sir Keith Joseph, for whom<br />
she had intense respect, whereas he wS regarded as mad by most of the then Tory mainstream.</p>
<p>She was also a great admirer of Lord Young-she said other Cabinet colleagues came to her with problems, but he came to her with solutions.</p>
<p>Finally, I remember reading a speech she gave at a Youth Aliyah dinner, where she warmly praised one of it&#8217;s founders, Recha Freier, as an example of how one person can make a real difference.</p>
<p>She was certainly very at ease with and appreciative of the qualities and talents of Jews who made no attempt to hide their origins. Ranks with King Edward VII, Churchill &amp; Tony Blair.<br />
Prince Charles is anti-Zionist and has never allowed himself to be associated with any Zionist organization. He adopted support of a Krakow Jewish charity to avoid any possible insinuations of having an anti-Semitic agenda. Both the Duke of Ed and the Queen have visited a range of Jewish charities.<br />
She never showed any response at all to the repeated criticism<br />
of her for having so many</p>
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		<title>By: 60210</title>
		<link>http://www.oyvagoy.com/2009/07/25/margaret-thatcher-philosemite/comment-page-1/#comment-2731</link>
		<dc:creator>60210</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Chas

Your mate Rupert has replied:

http://rupertsread.blogspot.com/2009/07/me-clarification.html

libellous? pretentious twat

I resent the fact he imagines it was done for short-term political gain against the Greens. I like many of the Greens and a lot of their policies. Good to hear he&#039;s not an anti-semite. Definitely not. No way.

But why are they always so obsessed with Israel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Chas</p>
<p>Your mate Rupert has replied:</p>
<p><a href="http://rupertsread.blogspot.com/2009/07/me-clarification.html" rel="nofollow">http://rupertsread.blogspot.com/2009/07/me-clarification.html</a></p>
<p>libellous? pretentious twat</p>
<p>I resent the fact he imagines it was done for short-term political gain against the Greens. I like many of the Greens and a lot of their policies. Good to hear he&#8217;s not an anti-semite. Definitely not. No way.</p>
<p>But why are they always so obsessed with Israel?</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Brzezinski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Brzezinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a story out there that Carter deliberately did not inform Reagan of Israel&#039;s intention to bomb Osirak.  He found out later reading Carter&#039;s notes.

Certain elements of the British government were intent on stifling the nascent Jewish State in 1947/8.  They went against &quot;official&quot; policy and I&#039;m not certain if the politicians knew and winked, or were fooled.  In all likelihood the FO was at the core and the animosity has remained.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a story out there that Carter deliberately did not inform Reagan of Israel&#8217;s intention to bomb Osirak.  He found out later reading Carter&#8217;s notes.</p>
<p>Certain elements of the British government were intent on stifling the nascent Jewish State in 1947/8.  They went against &#8220;official&#8221; policy and I&#8217;m not certain if the politicians knew and winked, or were fooled.  In all likelihood the FO was at the core and the animosity has remained.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 10:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would suggest that Reagan and Thatcher&#039;s condemnation of the Israeli destruction of (French built!) Osirak nuclear plant in 1981 was not exactly heartfelt. They condemned it and moved on quickly. Just as Britain and the US would do now if Israel destroyed a similar site in Iran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would suggest that Reagan and Thatcher&#8217;s condemnation of the Israeli destruction of (French built!) Osirak nuclear plant in 1981 was not exactly heartfelt. They condemned it and moved on quickly. Just as Britain and the US would do now if Israel destroyed a similar site in Iran.</p>
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		<title>By: naomi</title>
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		<dc:creator>naomi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 02:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to clarify chas&#039;s answer to sten - many british jews are descended from jews who immigrated to britain from the baltic region during tsarist times. although macmillan uses poetic license to some degree as lithuania and latvia were to my knowledge much bigger sources of baltic jewish immigration than estonia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to clarify chas&#8217;s answer to sten &#8211; many british jews are descended from jews who immigrated to britain from the baltic region during tsarist times. although macmillan uses poetic license to some degree as lithuania and latvia were to my knowledge much bigger sources of baltic jewish immigration than estonia.</p>
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		<title>By: Chas Newkey-Burden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chas Newkey-Burden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 13:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t help wondering if Amy Winehouse got her &quot;no, no, no&quot; chant for the Rehab song from Maggie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help wondering if Amy Winehouse got her &#8220;no, no, no&#8221; chant for the Rehab song from Maggie.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 13:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow didn&#039;t know most of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow didn&#8217;t know most of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Chas Newkey-Burden</title>
		<link>http://www.oyvagoy.com/2009/07/25/margaret-thatcher-philosemite/comment-page-1/#comment-2692</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas Newkey-Burden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 13:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for reading and commenting, Sten.

It was a rather silly joke by Macmillan. An &#039;Etonian&#039; means a man who went to Britain&#039;s most privileged public school - Eton. Conservative cabinets have often included a fair number of Etonians. So Macmillan chose &#039;Estonian&#039; (to signify Jewish) as a play on words. As I noted above, it&#039;s not the most sensitive of punchlines, nor the most accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for reading and commenting, Sten.</p>
<p>It was a rather silly joke by Macmillan. An &#8216;Etonian&#8217; means a man who went to Britain&#8217;s most privileged public school &#8211; Eton. Conservative cabinets have often included a fair number of Etonians. So Macmillan chose &#8216;Estonian&#8217; (to signify Jewish) as a play on words. As I noted above, it&#8217;s not the most sensitive of punchlines, nor the most accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Sten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

Perhaps I just don&#039;t get it, but what did “more Estonians than Etonians” mean? I know what&#039;s an Estonian and what&#039;s an Etonian, but how was the fact that Thatcher had many Jews in the cabinet related to Estonia at all?

I grew up in Estonia and lived there for 29 years before moving to London last year, that&#039;s why I&#039;m interested. Part of the Estonian Jewish Community was deported to Siberia by the Soviets and the rest were murdered by the Nazis in the 1940ies, and Estonian present Jewish Community is only 2,000-strong - I really wonder what made Macmillan to say something like that...

Best,

Sten</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>Perhaps I just don&#8217;t get it, but what did “more Estonians than Etonians” mean? I know what&#8217;s an Estonian and what&#8217;s an Etonian, but how was the fact that Thatcher had many Jews in the cabinet related to Estonia at all?</p>
<p>I grew up in Estonia and lived there for 29 years before moving to London last year, that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m interested. Part of the Estonian Jewish Community was deported to Siberia by the Soviets and the rest were murdered by the Nazis in the 1940ies, and Estonian present Jewish Community is only 2,000-strong &#8211; I really wonder what made Macmillan to say something like that&#8230;</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Sten</p>
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