Comments on: Heard the one about Hamas? Thought not… http://www.oyvagoy.com/2010/01/23/heard-the-one-about-hamas-thought-not/ The philosemitic blog of author and journalist Chas Newkey-Burden, from the UK Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:04:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Stephanie Gutmann http://www.oyvagoy.com/2010/01/23/heard-the-one-about-hamas-thought-not/comment-page-1/#comment-4814 Stephanie Gutmann Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:44:48 +0000 http://www.oyvagoy.com/?p=4017#comment-4814 What's comedy like in Israel, Chas? Rightly or wrongly, and it sometimes makes me uncomfortable because of how it may be used, it is dry, self-mocking and satirical. I don't know about stand up. I never saw any there. But you can see some videos in Hebrew about young Israels in India that are send ups of young Israelis in Israel that are pretty typical. In the movie Walk on Water the Mossad agent protaginist played by the gorgeous Lior Ashkenazi has what I think of as a very typical Israeli sense of humour. It is dry, mordant, and self-depreciating. Israelis do what I think of as preemptive humor, i.e. "We are not going to be caught being laughed at...We will have the first jokes...We will make the jokes about ourselves." Yes, it's a kind of arrogance, and a survival mechanism, as in "we will not be caught napping." What’s comedy like in Israel, Chas? Rightly or wrongly, and it sometimes makes me uncomfortable because of how it may be used, it is dry, self-mocking and satirical. I don’t know about stand up. I never saw any there. But you can see some videos in Hebrew about young Israels in India that are send ups of young Israelis in Israel that are pretty typical. In the movie Walk on Water the Mossad agent protaginist played by the gorgeous Lior Ashkenazi has what I think of as a very typical Israeli sense of humour. It is dry, mordant, and self-depreciating. Israelis do what I think of as preemptive humor, i.e. “We are not going to be caught being laughed at…We will have the first jokes…We will make the jokes about ourselves.” Yes, it’s a kind of arrogance, and a survival mechanism, as in “we will not be caught napping.”

]]> By: Chas Newkey-Burden http://www.oyvagoy.com/2010/01/23/heard-the-one-about-hamas-thought-not/comment-page-1/#comment-4792 Chas Newkey-Burden Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:19:37 +0000 http://www.oyvagoy.com/?p=4017#comment-4792 Thanks blahx3 Thanks blahx3

]]> By: blahblahblah http://www.oyvagoy.com/2010/01/23/heard-the-one-about-hamas-thought-not/comment-page-1/#comment-4791 blahblahblah Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:13:18 +0000 http://www.oyvagoy.com/?p=4017#comment-4791 <i>Not that Carr is alone in making such jokes. David Mitchell made one about Anne Frank, so too have Ricky Gervais and Russell Howard. Perhaps I’m a wimp but I don’t like it.</i> I don't think you're a wimp,Chas.I heard about Mitchell's joke and I didn't like it either.Carr also did some some stuff about the Roma,but maybe that kind of bigotry isn't your main concern.The main defence seems to be "but it's ironic!" which has replaced "it's a joke!lighten up!".I recommend that you watch Spike Lee's brilliant film <i>Bamboozled</i>. Not that Carr is alone in making such jokes. David Mitchell made one about Anne Frank, so too have Ricky Gervais and Russell Howard. Perhaps I’m a wimp but I don’t like it.
I don’t think you’re a wimp,Chas.I heard about Mitchell’s joke and I didn’t like it either.Carr also did some some stuff about the Roma,but maybe that kind of bigotry isn’t your main concern.The main defence seems to be “but it’s ironic!” which has replaced “it’s a joke!lighten up!”.I recommend that you watch Spike Lee’s brilliant film Bamboozled.

]]> By: JtM http://www.oyvagoy.com/2010/01/23/heard-the-one-about-hamas-thought-not/comment-page-1/#comment-4790 JtM Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:04:48 +0000 http://www.oyvagoy.com/?p=4017#comment-4790 <em>Which is more than you can say for the likes of Jeremy Hardy, with his egotistical film ‘Jeremy Hardy vs The Israeli Army’. </em> I've seen that film, egotistical is definitely one way of describing it. Desperate bullshit is another. You can read his naive thoughts on the conflict <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/southyorkshire/toby/jeremy_hardy/index_2.shtml" rel="nofollow">here</a>, including him thinking Rachel Corrie is called Rachel Curry. Which is more than you can say for the likes of Jeremy Hardy, with his egotistical film ‘Jeremy Hardy vs The Israeli Army’.

I’ve seen that film, egotistical is definitely one way of describing it. Desperate bullshit is another. You can read his naive thoughts on the conflict here, including him thinking Rachel Corrie is called Rachel Curry.

]]> By: Steve R http://www.oyvagoy.com/2010/01/23/heard-the-one-about-hamas-thought-not/comment-page-1/#comment-4789 Steve R Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:03:07 +0000 http://www.oyvagoy.com/?p=4017#comment-4789 Bernard Manning, Chubby Brown and Jim Davies all good racist and sexist comedians what you see is what you get, HONESTY. Anyone is a potential target. The new wave are just a bunch of hipocrites. Up untill now white hetrosexual males were fair targets ( one female Bernard Manning lookalike started her career doing this, now she's a BBC fixture ). But with a fair deal of British media indoctrination we can now experiment with the oldest hatred. It can only get worse. Bernard Manning, Chubby Brown and Jim Davies all good racist and sexist comedians what you see is what you get, HONESTY. Anyone is a potential target. The new wave are just a bunch of hipocrites. Up untill now white hetrosexual males were fair targets ( one female Bernard Manning lookalike started her career doing this, now she’s a BBC fixture ). But with a fair deal of British media indoctrination we can now experiment with the oldest hatred. It can only get worse.

]]> By: Duvid Crockett, King of DeLancey Street http://www.oyvagoy.com/2010/01/23/heard-the-one-about-hamas-thought-not/comment-page-1/#comment-4787 Duvid Crockett, King of DeLancey Street Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:35:42 +0000 http://www.oyvagoy.com/?p=4017#comment-4787 You have hit the nail on the head as usual, Chas. They should all take a cue from the eventual fate of Jonathan Ross and take their canned laughter tapes with them. You have hit the nail on the head as usual, Chas. They should all take a cue from the eventual fate of Jonathan Ross and take their canned laughter tapes with them.

]]> By: blahblahblah http://www.oyvagoy.com/2010/01/23/heard-the-one-about-hamas-thought-not/comment-page-1/#comment-4782 blahblahblah Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:02:51 +0000 http://www.oyvagoy.com/?p=4017#comment-4782 <i>The only guaranteed way to avoid selling out is have something nobody wants to buy.</i> <i>Make</i> them buy your product then,soft lad.See Simon Cowell,Celebrity Big Brother.Oh,and Kirsty'n'Phil. The only guaranteed way to avoid selling out is have something nobody wants to buy.
Make them buy your product then,soft lad.See Simon Cowell,Celebrity Big Brother.Oh,and Kirsty’n'Phil.

]]> By: Chas Newkey-Burden http://www.oyvagoy.com/2010/01/23/heard-the-one-about-hamas-thought-not/comment-page-1/#comment-4778 Chas Newkey-Burden Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:44:49 +0000 http://www.oyvagoy.com/?p=4017#comment-4778 What's comedy like in Israel, does anyone know? The little I've seen suggests it is often close to the bone. Which would make sense in a society facing those kind of threats. What’s comedy like in Israel, does anyone know? The little I’ve seen suggests it is often close to the bone. Which would make sense in a society facing those kind of threats.

]]> By: Highnlonesome http://www.oyvagoy.com/2010/01/23/heard-the-one-about-hamas-thought-not/comment-page-1/#comment-4777 Highnlonesome Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:00:22 +0000 http://www.oyvagoy.com/?p=4017#comment-4777 Frank Skinner, back in the early 90's when he was doing stand-up, was once asked in an interview about his supposedly politically-incorrect brand of humour and the controversy it had caused. He said, "I won't tell a joke on stage unless I feel I can justify it". He went on to give an example of a joke that many people would consider racist, involving black men, mugging and basketball. "That joke feels okay to me," he continued, "but I would have a really hard time justifying it." This seems like a good rule of thumb. Frank Skinner, back in the early 90’s when he was doing stand-up, was once asked in an interview about his supposedly politically-incorrect brand of humour and the controversy it had caused. He said, “I won’t tell a joke on stage unless I feel I can justify it”. He went on to give an example of a joke that many people would consider racist, involving black men, mugging and basketball. “That joke feels okay to me,” he continued, “but I would have a really hard time justifying it.” This seems like a good rule of thumb.

]]> By: The Fogel http://www.oyvagoy.com/2010/01/23/heard-the-one-about-hamas-thought-not/comment-page-1/#comment-4776 The Fogel Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:28:50 +0000 http://www.oyvagoy.com/?p=4017#comment-4776 Spot on son. You are correct about Boyle, the man's a legend. Spot on son. You are correct about Boyle, the man’s a legend.

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