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		<title>By: Boycott</title>
		<link>http://www.oyvagoy.com/2010/06/01/the-flotilla-israels-history-in-microcosm/comment-page-1/#comment-91099</link>
		<dc:creator>Boycott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 12:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi you seem like a nice sensible intelligent person so why do you support the Zionist regime? Don&#039;t you know the facts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi you seem like a nice sensible intelligent person so why do you support the Zionist regime? Don&#8217;t you know the facts?</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Linder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Linder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Feb 2011 19:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree entirely. But do not forget to mention the Panorama programme in which Jane Corbyn (usually hostile to Israel) examined the flotilla episode and, as a result, completely agreed with Israel&#039;s version of events. The aim of the flotilla was not to provide aid but to beat the blockade and to gain publicity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree entirely. But do not forget to mention the Panorama programme in which Jane Corbyn (usually hostile to Israel) examined the flotilla episode and, as a result, completely agreed with Israel&#8217;s version of events. The aim of the flotilla was not to provide aid but to beat the blockade and to gain publicity.</p>
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		<title>By: louisb</title>
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		<dc:creator>louisb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 16:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris

Thanks for posting the link to the charity single. Sometimes humour is the best way to make a point. I appreciate that for some people the humour may be offensive but personally I (sadly) found it apt. Mainly because of the immense frustration I feel as a 55 year old Jew who during his lifetime has seen his Britishness challenged by the rise in anti-semitism in this country.

Nothing is more hypocritical than the response of the media in general and UK politicians, specifically towards the incident by the IDF this week. The loss of life is, of course tragic but it should be balanced against the real intent of peace campaigners who arm themselves with iron bars and broadcast messages asking that they become martyrs via YouTube right before the confrontation (the only violent one on that day when in fact 5 other boats were boarded and directed to Ashdod perfectly peaceably).

It is doubly hypocritical of the UK government to criticise Israel during a week when sadly there has been the loss of 3 servicemen from our armed forces. Excatly who do they think our armed forces are fighting? Exactly what is the difference between our operations against Al Queda backed insurgents in Afghanistan (and Iraq for that matter) intent on the destruction of western civilisation and IDF operations against Iranian/Syrian backed Hamas who by the way also want to destroy western civilisation.

I am sorry to say that I feel considerably more sorrow at the loss of the lives of our servicemen than I do the loss of lives of armed hooligans whose agenda was completely at odds with the majority of the people on that aid flotilla.

Of course I full understand why the British government can condemn Israel while battling a carbon-copy foe in Helmand. The Israelis are all Jews while the British forces are all anglo-saxons (or probably not given our multiracial society) and for Jews to confront Islamic fascism is not allowed according to the philosophy of the hand wringing, healdine grabbing, insincere, extemporising, hypocritical members of the coalition government.

It is even worse that the UK government does not outright condemn Israel and of course the reason why they do not is the beneficial military and intelligence support they receive and share.

I wish they&#039;d release this song as a single... I&#039;d start of Facebook group to get it to #1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris</p>
<p>Thanks for posting the link to the charity single. Sometimes humour is the best way to make a point. I appreciate that for some people the humour may be offensive but personally I (sadly) found it apt. Mainly because of the immense frustration I feel as a 55 year old Jew who during his lifetime has seen his Britishness challenged by the rise in anti-semitism in this country.</p>
<p>Nothing is more hypocritical than the response of the media in general and UK politicians, specifically towards the incident by the IDF this week. The loss of life is, of course tragic but it should be balanced against the real intent of peace campaigners who arm themselves with iron bars and broadcast messages asking that they become martyrs via YouTube right before the confrontation (the only violent one on that day when in fact 5 other boats were boarded and directed to Ashdod perfectly peaceably).</p>
<p>It is doubly hypocritical of the UK government to criticise Israel during a week when sadly there has been the loss of 3 servicemen from our armed forces. Excatly who do they think our armed forces are fighting? Exactly what is the difference between our operations against Al Queda backed insurgents in Afghanistan (and Iraq for that matter) intent on the destruction of western civilisation and IDF operations against Iranian/Syrian backed Hamas who by the way also want to destroy western civilisation.</p>
<p>I am sorry to say that I feel considerably more sorrow at the loss of the lives of our servicemen than I do the loss of lives of armed hooligans whose agenda was completely at odds with the majority of the people on that aid flotilla.</p>
<p>Of course I full understand why the British government can condemn Israel while battling a carbon-copy foe in Helmand. The Israelis are all Jews while the British forces are all anglo-saxons (or probably not given our multiracial society) and for Jews to confront Islamic fascism is not allowed according to the philosophy of the hand wringing, healdine grabbing, insincere, extemporising, hypocritical members of the coalition government.</p>
<p>It is even worse that the UK government does not outright condemn Israel and of course the reason why they do not is the beneficial military and intelligence support they receive and share.</p>
<p>I wish they&#8217;d release this song as a single&#8230; I&#8217;d start of Facebook group to get it to #1</p>
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		<title>By: Chas Newkey-Burden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chas Newkey-Burden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 14:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A hardcore of 40 Turkish jihadis on board the Mavi Marmara was responsible for the violence that led to nine deaths and dozens of injuries on the flotilla taking aid to Gaza, the Israeli government claimed today.

The allegation came as Turkish newspapers reported that three of the four Turks killed in the onslaught had declared their readiness to become martyrs.

“I am going to be a martyr. I dreamed about it,” Ali Haider Banjinin, 39, from Kurdistan, told his family before leaving to join the flotilla, according to one report.

The brother-in-law of retired engineer Ibrahim Bilgen, 61, told another paper that “martyrdom suited him very much. Allah gave him a death he desired.”

A third Turkish casualty, Ali Akbar Yertilmis, a father of four from Ankara, had “dreamt of becoming a martyr”, a friend was quoted as saying.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/02/flotilla-raid-turkish-jihadis-troops-israel-claims</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A hardcore of 40 Turkish jihadis on board the Mavi Marmara was responsible for the violence that led to nine deaths and dozens of injuries on the flotilla taking aid to Gaza, the Israeli government claimed today.</p>
<p>The allegation came as Turkish newspapers reported that three of the four Turks killed in the onslaught had declared their readiness to become martyrs.</p>
<p>“I am going to be a martyr. I dreamed about it,” Ali Haider Banjinin, 39, from Kurdistan, told his family before leaving to join the flotilla, according to one report.</p>
<p>The brother-in-law of retired engineer Ibrahim Bilgen, 61, told another paper that “martyrdom suited him very much. Allah gave him a death he desired.”</p>
<p>A third Turkish casualty, Ali Akbar Yertilmis, a father of four from Ankara, had “dreamt of becoming a martyr”, a friend was quoted as saying.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/02/flotilla-raid-turkish-jihadis-troops-israel-claims" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/02/flotilla-raid-turkish-jihadis-troops-israel-claims</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chas Newkey-Burden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chas Newkey-Burden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 22:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Con The World - a charity single for the &#039;peace activists&#039; and their gullible apologists http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOGG_osOoVg&amp;feature=player_embedded#!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Con The World &#8211; a charity single for the &#8216;peace activists&#8217; and their gullible apologists <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOGG_osOoVg&#038;feature=player_embedded#" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOGG_osOoVg&#038;feature=player_embedded#</a>!</p>
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		<title>By: Chas Newkey-Burden</title>
		<link>http://www.oyvagoy.com/2010/06/01/the-flotilla-israels-history-in-microcosm/comment-page-1/#comment-7981</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas Newkey-Burden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 08:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for your very kind and generous words. I genuinely don&#039;t think I deserve them, but I am grateful all the same. 

Thankfully there are other gentiles as well as me who are backing Israel at this time.

Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for your very kind and generous words. I genuinely don&#8217;t think I deserve them, but I am grateful all the same. </p>
<p>Thankfully there are other gentiles as well as me who are backing Israel at this time.</p>
<p>Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: My Support for Israel Only Increases &#124; Politics &#38; Poetry</title>
		<link>http://www.oyvagoy.com/2010/06/01/the-flotilla-israels-history-in-microcosm/comment-page-1/#comment-7945</link>
		<dc:creator>My Support for Israel Only Increases &#124; Politics &#38; Poetry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 22:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Over the next few weeks and months I will elaborate further on the points above as well as &#8216;blog for Israel&#8217; as I can best describe it. To say the events of the Gaza Flotilla and the resulting fall-out in the International media and social networks has shocked me to the core, is an understatement. A fellow blogger with similar views to mine regarding Israel best sums up my reaction in his post found here: The Flotilla: Israel&#8217;s History in Microcosm. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Over the next few weeks and months I will elaborate further on the points above as well as &#8216;blog for Israel&#8217; as I can best describe it. To say the events of the Gaza Flotilla and the resulting fall-out in the International media and social networks has shocked me to the core, is an understatement. A fellow blogger with similar views to mine regarding Israel best sums up my reaction in his post found here: The Flotilla: Israel&#8217;s History in Microcosm. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dan F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 22:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me add something that will hopefully hearten you a little. I have spoken about my Liberal friends who demonise Israel frequently, especially my housemate. I have actually avoided watching the news with him in the room over the last couple of days just to for go the inevitable clash. 

However he suprised me today by saying that he was not convinced by the news interpretation and that he did not actually blame Israel for the incident, that what he saw did not coincide with what was being reported. He actually said that he felt Israel had given every opportunity for the boats to be examined in the proper manner before it&#039;s cargo was allowed through to Gaza, and that the actions of those on the boat was inexcusable. He actually admitted that the reporting on the event was pretty biased and that the BBC in particular, by interviewing the parents of one of the British humanitarian workers was completely swaying it towards one side. 

Honestly, this was probably pretty difficult for him to say and for him to not instantly use this to flame Israel was very heartening to me. It makes me think there is some hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me add something that will hopefully hearten you a little. I have spoken about my Liberal friends who demonise Israel frequently, especially my housemate. I have actually avoided watching the news with him in the room over the last couple of days just to for go the inevitable clash. </p>
<p>However he suprised me today by saying that he was not convinced by the news interpretation and that he did not actually blame Israel for the incident, that what he saw did not coincide with what was being reported. He actually said that he felt Israel had given every opportunity for the boats to be examined in the proper manner before it&#8217;s cargo was allowed through to Gaza, and that the actions of those on the boat was inexcusable. He actually admitted that the reporting on the event was pretty biased and that the BBC in particular, by interviewing the parents of one of the British humanitarian workers was completely swaying it towards one side. </p>
<p>Honestly, this was probably pretty difficult for him to say and for him to not instantly use this to flame Israel was very heartening to me. It makes me think there is some hope.</p>
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		<title>By: NM</title>
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		<dc:creator>NM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 21:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chas, sometimes I think you&#039;re the only non-Jewish person left in Britain who&#039;s prepared to defend Israel as she defends herself.

I&#039;m not exaggerating when I think you are a righteous gentile, up there with those celebrated in Yad Vashem. Seriously.

Thank you for being a small beacon of light in the darkness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chas, sometimes I think you&#8217;re the only non-Jewish person left in Britain who&#8217;s prepared to defend Israel as she defends herself.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not exaggerating when I think you are a righteous gentile, up there with those celebrated in Yad Vashem. Seriously.</p>
<p>Thank you for being a small beacon of light in the darkness.</p>
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		<title>By: Minnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Minnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 19:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Superb post, Chas, which - with many of the comments + your responses, clarifies so much. Thank you. 
You and your friends here are not alone. Although it must feel that way. Best to you all from a Christian supporter of Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Superb post, Chas, which &#8211; with many of the comments + your responses, clarifies so much. Thank you.<br />
You and your friends here are not alone. Although it must feel that way. Best to you all from a Christian supporter of Israel.</p>
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